Re: "nothing ... will require you .. to change" and other

Topics: foreign policy
14 Oct 2009

From: Ervan Darnell


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The hypocrisy applies to the revenue side as well. Obama made a
campaign promise of no new taxes < $250K. I laughed at that at the
time. Here is not even making a pretense of it. The health care
proposals explicitly tax medical care to pay for medical care, tax
insurance plans better than the government's plan, and drive up your
insurance cost by covering procedures you don't need. All of those are
but indirect tax measures. Liberals hated Bush for being a liar, I
cannot see that anything has changed.

On a related note, this morning's (10/14/09) Forum on NPR was discussing
the government insurance option. One panel member suggested that if it
is such a good idea, just let states have a state-level government
insurance option. Of course! It's already the case actually. It has
already been tried, and it failed [1]. No wonder liberals don't like
states rights because it shows how bad their ideas are. Federalize it
so there is no choice, no escape, and nothing to compare it to. It
won't be so obviously a failure then. The objection on the show was
that the federal government has more negotiating power. This is flawed
on 3 levels:
1) The "public option" is supposed to compete on a level playing field,
and would not obviously be larger than the largest existing insurance
company. There is no extra negotiating leverage in that.
2) If it grows bigger than that, by tilting the playing field, as seems
likely, then it will be de facto engaging in price controls.
3) The assumption that medical cost inflation is due to excess profits
is just silly. How else does tough negotiating work except by squeezing
someone else's profit margin? In the long run one hopes it spurs
innovation, but that's already happening with insurance company
negotiations.
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[1]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574455560453947646.html

On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 18:03 -0700, Ervan Darnell wrote:

> In Obama's speech [1] on health care he said:
>
>
> > , nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change
> > the coverage or the doctor you have.
>
>
>
> In the very next paragraph, he said that pre-existing condition
> limits, dropped coverage, lifetime caps, and unlimited out-of-pocket
> expenses will all be banned. That's a huge change in my current
> insurance, making it much more expensive, and removing many of the
> levers that insurance companies compete on to keep cost under control.
>
> Of course he promised "it will slow the growth of health care costs "
> The economic utility of medical insurance is not just spreading risk,
> but rationing resources as efficiently as we can manage. It's a
> bargain that says "before I'm in desperate need and irrational I'm
> binding myself to these limits and foregoing some exotic procedures",
> in exchange you get coverage you can afford. As an individual, you
> get to move that line where it suits you. Unfortunately, the tax code
> has already greatly harmed that model, but the Obama plan more or less
> destroys it.
>
>
> > "By locking in these flaws, the mandates will inhibit precisely the
> > innovation needed to reform U.S. health care. Ultimately, as
> > government seeks to rein in costs, it will curtail access to
> > health-care services by erecting barriers between patie...nt and
> > health-care provider." [2]
>
>
> This makes me wonder how bad the government "option" is. It's a ruse
> of course. There are two possible outcomes from it: either it does
> nothing (because it cannot compete on a level playing field), or it is
> subsidized and destroys private insurance. But, the government is
> hell bent on regulating insurance into irrelevance. The senate bill
> prohibits insurance companies from taking anything into account except
> age, smoking, and family composition [3]. And the rate differences
> for those are regulated. Meanwhile the procedures that must be
> covered are also regulated. What's left for insurance to do? I guess
> it can still bargain with providers and seek some efficiency there,
> but this is already almost as locked down as the government "option".
>
> Meanwhile, Rockefeller in his bill on the government option wrote "It
> participates on a level playing field with private plan choices." and
> Obama said about his plan "And they'd be right if taxpayers were
> subsidizing this public insurance option. But they won't be." Boucher
> is at the same time (ref my previous post) taxing private plans that
> offer more than the default government option. While the Rockefeller
> amendment died, it was clear that it was a lie from get-go, as was the
> Obama plan. Any bill that is passed will tilt the playing field and
> no court would have dared to invalidate the "public option" on that
> basis. Similarly, the Obama plan is not letting you keep your current
> insurance even though he says he intends that.
>
> Back to the speech,
>
>
> > We'll do this by creating a new insurance exchange ... As one big
> > group, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with
> > the insurance companies for better prices and quality coverage. This
> > is how large companies and government employees get affordable
> > insurance.
>
>
> This represents a frightening lack of economic understanding. I hear
> many liberals making the argument that all we need to do is squeeze
> the profits out of insurance and health care will be affordable.
> That's ridiculous on the facts. Insurance company profits are
> somewhere around 1-2% of the total medical cost (and profit is just a
> way of rationing capital to future versus current consumption and is
> necessary regardless). But more subtly it reveals the zero-sum
> fallacy, that all productivity is fixed and it's only a matter of
> distributing the spoils, that price signals are irrelevant. Obama is
> stepping into that fallacy here and saying if we can squeeze the
> profit out by negotiating harder we can solve the problem. No, we
> can't. Yes, hard negotiation keeps wasteful players off the field and
> that serves a purpose, but "big is better" is not the same thing.
> It's only transferring the cost to someone else. As Eric noted a long
> time ago here, Medicare is not an expandable model exactly because
> it's doing that. Neither is Obama's cooperative. It wouldn't be able
> to get a substantially better price. Even the small amount that it
> gets is a chimera. Anybody can already start a meta-insurance company
> to do exactly this kind of pooling. They don't because the overhead
> of running the meta company is greater than the saving to be achieved
> (as best anyone can tell). The government cannot beat that logic.
> All it can do is subsidize the operation of the pool, so much for the
> level playing field.
>
>
> [1]
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/obama-health-care-speech_n_281265.html
> [2]
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204488304574426872264215790.html
> [3] http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/legislation.htm
> [4]
> http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1260-The-Rockefeller-Public-Option-Amendment
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The hypocrisy applies to the revenue side as well. Obama made a campa=
ign promise of no new taxes < $250K. I laughed at that at the time=
. Here is not even making a pretense of it. The health care pro=
posals explicitly tax medical care to pay for medical care, tax insurance p=
lans better than the government's plan, and drive up your insurance cost by=
covering procedures you don't need. All of those are but indirect ta=
x measures. Liberals hated Bush for being a liar, I cannot see that a=
nything has changed.

On a related note, this morning's (10/14/09) Forum on NPR was discussing th=
e government insurance option. One panel member suggested that if it =
is such a good idea, just let states have a state-level government insuranc=
e option. Of course! It's already the case actually. It h=
as already been tried, and it failed [1]. No wonder liberals don't li=
ke states rights because it shows how bad their ideas are. Federalize=
it so there is no choice, no escape, and nothing to compare it to. I=
t won't be so obviously a failure then. The objection on the show was=
that the federal government has more negotiating power. This is flaw=
ed on 3 levels:
1) The "public option" is supposed to compete on a level playing =
field, and would not obviously be larger than the largest existing insuranc=
e company. There is no extra negotiating leverage in that.
2) If it grows bigger than that, by tilting the playing field, as seems lik=
ely, then it will be de facto engaging in price controls.
3) The assumption that medical cost inflation is due to excess profits is j=
ust silly. How else does tough negotiating work except by squeezing s=
omeone else's profit margin? In the long run one hopes it=
spurs innovation, but that's already happening with insurance company nego=
tiations.
---------------
[1] 5560453947646.html">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004=
574455560453947646.html


On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 18:03 -0700, Ervan Darnell wrote:

In Obama's speech [1] on health care he said:


, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change =
the coverage or the doctor you have.



In the very next paragraph, he said that pre-existing condition limits,=
dropped coverage, lifetime caps, and unlimited out-of-pocket expenses will=
all be banned. That's a huge change in my current insurance, making =
it much more expensive, and removing many of the levers that insurance comp=
anies compete on to keep cost under control.

Of course he promised "it will slow the growth of health care cost=
s "
The economic utility of medical insurance is not just spreading risk, b=
ut rationing resources as efficiently as we can manage. It's a bargai=
n that says "before I'm in desperate need and irrational I'm binding m=
yself to these limits and foregoing some exotic procedures", in exchan=
ge you get coverage you can afford. As an individual, you get to move=
that line where it suits you. Unfortunately, the tax code has alread=
y greatly harmed that model, but the Obama plan more or less destroys it. R>


"By locking in these flaws, the mandates will inhibit precisel=
y the innovation needed to reform U.S. health care. Ultimately, as governme=
nt seeks to rein in costs, it will curtail access to health-care services b=
y erecting barriers between patie...nt and health-care provider." [2]<=
BR>


This makes me wonder how bad the government "option" is. It's=
a ruse of course. There are two possible outcomes from it: either it=
does nothing (because it cannot compete on a level playing field), or it i=
s subsidized and destroys private insurance. But, the government is h=
ell bent on regulating insurance into irrelevance. The senate bill pr=
ohibits insurance companies from taking anything into account except age, s=
moking, and family composition [3]. And the rate differences for thos=
e are regulated. Meanwhile the procedures that must be covered are al=
so regulated. What's left for insurance to do? I guess it can s=
till bargain with providers and seek some efficiency there, but this is alr=
eady almost as locked down as the government "option".

Meanwhile, Rockefeller in his bill on the government option wrote "=
;It participates on a level playing field with private plan choices." =
and Obama said about his plan "And they'd be right if taxpayers were s=
ubsidizing this public insurance option. But they won't be." Bou=
cher is at the same time (ref my previous post) taxing private plans that o=
ffer more than the default government option. While the Rockefeller a=
mendment died, it was clear that it was a lie from get-go, as was the Obama=
plan. Any bill that is passed will tilt the playing field and no cou=
rt would have dared to invalidate the "public option" on that bas=
is. Similarly, the Obama plan is not letting you keep your current in=
surance even though he says he intends that.

Back to the speech,


We'll do this by creating a new insurance exchange ... As one big g=
roup, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with the insura=
nce companies for better prices and quality coverage. This is how large com=
panies and government employees get affordable insurance.


This represents a frightening lack of economic understanding. I h=
ear many liberals making the argument that all we need to do is squeeze the=
profits out of insurance and health care will be affordable. That's =
ridiculous on the facts. Insurance company profits are somewhere arou=
nd 1-2% of the total medical cost (and profit is just a way of rationing ca=
pital to future versus current consumption and is necessary regardless).&nb=
sp; But more subtly it reveals the zero-sum fallacy, that all product=
ivity is fixed and it's only a matter of distributing the spoils, that pric=
e signals are irrelevant. Obama is stepping into that fallacy here an=
d saying if we can squeeze the profit out by negotiating harder we can solv=
e the problem. No, we can't. Yes, hard negotiation keeps wastef=
ul players off the field and that serves a purpose, but "big is better=
" is not the same thing. It's only transferring the cost to some=
one else. As Eric noted a long time ago here, Medicare is not an expa=
ndable model exactly because it's doing that. Neither is Obama's coop=
erative. It wouldn't be able to get a substantially better price.&nbs=
p; Even the small amount that it gets is a chimera. Anybody can alrea=
dy start a meta-insurance company to do exactly this kind of pooling. =
They don't because the overhead of running the meta company is greater tha=
n the saving to be achieved (as best anyone can tell). The government=
cannot beat that logic. All it can do is subsidize the operation of =
the pool, so much for the level playing field.


[1] re-speech_n_281265.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/obama-hea=
lth-care-speech_n_281265.html

[2] 74426872264215790.html">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020448=
8304574426872264215790.html

[3] htt=
p://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/legislation.htm

[4] feller-Public-Option-Amendment">http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1=
260-The-Rockefeller-Public-Option-Amendment

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